Mastering the Phone, Boosting Your Visibility, and Standing Out

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They can join us by subscribing Spotify, YouTube, Apple or any player of their choice. And like I said, if you have any sales and marketing questions, then bring them to me. Call SMS or WhatsApp on 08064662140. Today on the show, some comments about the right way to use the phone. And then I'm going to share some conversations that I've been having with some podcast listeners because there are some, you know, tangential issues that I think will be of benefit to some of you who are listening to the show.

Now, First off, a podcast listener that tried to hook up with someone else. And I got in touch with the fellow and I'm like, hey, how far did you call? And he's like, oh, I've been calling the guy. I've called, you know, four or five times and the guy hasn't responded. And so I figured, well, let me just deal with that on today's episode because I talk a lot about how you can use the phone to move your business forward.

And I've tried to drop lots of tactical things, tactical and practical things about how you can use the phone. But I guess there's one thing that I haven't said before, and that's this whole thing of repeated calling. Now, this is the way the world works for now. At the date of this recording, maybe in 2042 or 2072, things might be different. But right now we're in 2025. And the truth of the matter is most people do not like to answer their phone, especially if you are a stranger.

Most people don't like answering strange numbers. I hear it's a global thing. So it definitely is a Nigerian thing, especially since we're trying to avoid 49 over here. So if you're a stranger, most people are not picking up their phones. So if you're calling someone for the first time and you blow up the guy's phone or you blow up the lady's phone, you know, 456 calls and you're a stranger, you actually are irritating the person.

But then some of you might say, and what tavish you've been saying was you use the phone and yes, you still should. So this is what you do. You send a text message afterwards. In fact, what I have started doing is I now send the text message before so that people know what's up that I'm going to call. So right now what I do is if I'm going to call someone who's a stranger, let's say I have it in mind that I want to call the person like around that kind,

maybe 1011 by 7-8 in the morning, I shoot a text message so that by the time the guy finishes driving or the baby finishes driving to work and she says not her desk, she pulls out her phone, she'll see my text message. And we say something like, hello, is this Julia or getting B? I got your number from Kisito Daniels. I'm calling concerning XYZ. Yeah. I'm just sending a text message ahead so that, you know, you know who I am before I call.

Looking forward to chatting with you later in the day. Send. Now what happens is that some people respond to that text message and then we now end up, you know, chatting over SMS if that's what they're much, a lot more comfortable with. But you see, it's a very simple something. So for me, that's what I do now, I haven't always done that, but that's what I do now. Hello, is this so, so, so and so I'm XYZ calling you because of so, so, so and so I got your number from blah, blah, blah.

I would like to call concerning this, this, this. Would you be available to talk around 10 AM today? Send, you know, come up with something. But that's what I do now, something I just let the person know that look, I'm a stranger. This is how I got your phone number. I will be calling us. So, so, so, so time if it's OK by you. This is what I want to talk about. Are you OK with that? So I usually send that text message and then I usually send that WhatsApp.

People who love the WhatsApp thing will WhatsApp me back and then we end up, you know, chatting anyway. So that's one way of going about it. Now, let's say you're going about it the older way, which is what I used to do, which is you just call first. The person doesn't respond. Instead of buzzing 456 times and irritating the person after the first call, send a message. Hi, is this so, so and so? I am this, this, this.

I got your number from this particular person. The reason why I'm calling is because of this, this, this and not that, that. Let me know when you're available to talk and I'll call you back and then send on the person's time. The person will see it. And you know, the person may respond, the person may not respond. But The thing is, by the time you call again tomorrow, you're not that much of A stranger. I am not that much of an irritant because the person has gotten a heads up that somebody got their phone number from Engineer Unoha.

And the person is calling because of the new Yang festival that is coming up next month. And the person wants to collect all the annual dues so that they can send it back to the village as the contribution from the sons of the soil living in Abuja or something like that. The person now has an idea who you are, why you're calling. You're not that much of A stranger. So please, from a very practical point of view, never.

You blow up somebody's phone 456 times in a row. No, it's OK to blow up somebody's phone if you are related to the person. So if I call my wife 5-6 times, yeah, that's OK. It's me and my wife. If I want to annoy her, it's it's my prerogative. The same thing if she wants to blow up my phone 5-6 times in a row. In fact, if my wife should call me more than twice, I'll know that oh, OK, this is something that's really, really important.

So I need to call back now, now, now, now, now. Same thing with other family members. So never blow up anybody's phone exactly. If they're your family members, but even for your family members, just know you'll be giving the person an IBP. The person will be wondering this one uncle family is calling me like this. What's happening? She'll be somebody has died. So don't blow up people's phone. Next up is that your family members and it's an emergency and you have a good reason to do for to do so.

So the options we have explored are you can do like what I do now, which is send a text message ahead. Let the person know that you'll be in touch or you have called the person didn't answer, then send a text message. So the person knows who you are, why you try calling, what you wanted to talk about, you know, stuff like that. It makes the person either disposed to answering your phone call the next time you call or some people who are text message people or WhatsApp people will just take it from there.

And yes, some people may say, oh, OK, just send me an e-mail out. So, so, so, so in that case, you know, now that you're dealing with an e-mail person, you know, go ahead, send the e-mail. You know, nothing is 100%, but I'll say that's a proper way to do phone etiquette. So let's see what next. So conversations with I've been having a podcast listeners, I said, let me just share a couple of things. So First off, shout out to Joy Osaki who reached out to me on LinkedIn.

She's a listener of the show and she's a Google My Business expert. Now it's nice to run into a Google My Business expert because this is something that is necessary for most people and they do not realize it because Google can serve as an online billboard because often we are trying, OK, maybe not us, but customers are trying to look for one thing and there's lots of Internet traffic. And if you do a good job with your Google My Business profile,

then you're sort of like a billboard on the Internet. Let me give an example. So back in the good old days when I was still active in the wedding photography space, somebody might type best wedding photographer in Abuja and then hit send and then some web links will come up on page one. But then at the right hand of the page, especially for those of you who are doing the search on desktop, you'll see some kind boxes there that will say this photography, you know, 506

people rated them 4.5 stars. This photography, 12 people rated them 3.2 stars. You know something, I mean, you're just there like a billboard. It also works the same on the phone. I just can't remember how Google My Business results are displayed on the phone, but you're just there like a billboard. So the person has seen it's an option, you know, they might click through. And so it even happens when people search other kinds of businesses related to your field and when people are looking for your own, your competition,

which is why I say when you run adverts, please stop running people to, to the web because, well, if they fall on your website, you know, all, all well and good. But The thing is, if they forget or they've made a mental note or something, and they now have to search if, if in any way they get back to the Google search pane, The thing is, it's, it's free for all. Your competition will be there. They might see you in the link,

but Google My Business profiles, they'll see other people on the right hand side. Which is why I think when you're running advertisements and stuff like that, send people to a nice cozy channel so that you can have a correct one-on-one conversation with them. Which is why for me, I say, you know, send everybody straight to your inbox, send them to your SMS, send them to your WhatsApp, you know, one-on-one conversation, you know, no distraction.

OK, well, I'll send to your e-mail. Some people are e-mail people like we've said. So bottom line, what I'm trying to say is Google My Business very, very, very good asset. So if you sorted your Google My Business, well, first of all, you have to claim the Google My Business profile because Google does. I don't know if they still do it, but in the past they used to do this thing where if there's some kind of activity around the business, they'll just share,

create some profile about the business. So the profile is there. Nobody has claimed it. You can now take things the extra step forward because if you look at it and say, oh, Google has profiled my business, you will now go ahead and then click and then claim. Enter the proper phone number, enter your proper address, upload some nice pictures from the outside. You know your building, upload some nice pictures. Your finished product, upload some nice pictures.

You interactive with customers, you know, and even if you don't have a website, it's just nice having that kind of real estate online that people can see. Like I say, it's like a billboard. They'll be searching one thing and then conveniently your Google My Business should now show up on the right hand side of the screen. And that's if I remember correctly, I think it's on the right hand side for people who are using laptop or a desktop to search.

So Google My Business very, very important thing to do. So if you happen to run into Joy or Saggy or any other person who says there are a Google My Business expert, sit down and have a conversation with them. You know, you might get one or two, one or two pointers. Let's see. OK, I'm assuming that most people are free with information like I am. Well, hopefully if you run into any of these kinds of people, they should be free with small information.

You might learn one or two things, but either way, it's necessary for everyone. And it's also a good way to to to beef your your SEO as well. Make sure that you you know, SEO now, search engine optimization. Search engine optimization just means how do people find me online? So it's a good way to beef to what's that word to enhance Abby to improve to make sure that people find you online shop. So it's a it's a good idea.

Then also ratings and reviews also help here. If I had a conversation that I had also another podcast listener fee or Nalaja, you know, that's a huge part of her strategy, making sure that people rate and review because man, I think it's gold. Think about it, somebody searches best Amala joint in Abuja or best cake maker in Abuja or best Ankara business in Lagos and then Google My Business profile show up and there's one business that says one person has rated it five stars.

Another one says 400 people are rated it 3.2. Another one says 23 people have rated it 4.5. You know very very assay on TV. Some people will forget the fact that you know one person has given you 5 stars complete and might look at the other one that plenty people gave 3.2. You know, hundreds of people gave 3.2 and that the other one that you know, dozens of people give 4.5. So it's not even that you're rated the highest, but sometimes it's the number of people that have also given the rating.

So that also helps with the, what will I call it, social clout. It's a kind of signal share. So these things are very, very important. And some people get discouraged. They say I've been sending, but nobody's people are not really answering. That one is just normal. If you ask 10 people, give me a review, I doubt 10 people are going to respond. If 10 people respond, then fantastic, glory to God. It's all good. But to be honest and let me know, I guess.

But let me just say, if you ask 10 people, I, I don't think three people will answer you. I don't think up to five people will answer you. But The thing is, you keep asking anyway. Because if out of every 10 people you ask three people answer you, by the time you have asked Abby, if 10 people ask and then you have 3, by the time you ask 100, you would have had 30 reviews. So that's how it stands. All those people that you see on Google My Business, because there was one photography outfit.

I mean, I'll call their name by sorted out 200 and something reviews. And I was thinking, what the hell? Like how is that even possible? This is how it's possible. They just kept asking you ask, you ask, you ask. Some people will say no, some people will ignore, some people will say yes. You just continue and after a while, one day your competition wakes up and then they will see that you have 200 and something reviews and the new people who are trying to look for you will see the 200 and something reviews.

I will be impressed. And because of that reason, they will call you. Hopefully at that point, your telephone game will be strong, your sales game will be strong. So you'll be able to have a nice conversation, I guess, on business after that. So, OK, bottom line, Joy Osaki, thank you very much for listening to the show. This is me shouting you out. And this is me saying that people who are in your line of business are very, very important.

So people, go and check out Joy Osaki on LinkedIn or keep your eye, shine your eye for people who are Google My Business experts. And by the way, Joy, I hear that Google is going to be sunsetting the Google My Business feature. In other words, they want to retire this thing. That's just the gist. I've been here and I don't know if it's true. If it's true, let me know so I can come over here on the podcast to let them know that you know, you guys rush when came your Google My Business because they're going to take away the future very soon.

Then she also was impressed by the consistency of my podcast because I have over 1000 episodes and let me tell you guys your trick. The thing is I'm not really that consistent because yeah, I have over 1000 episodes. But if you check it, I've been podcasting for like roughly five years. So even if I wanted to be podcasting 5 days a week, if you do the math, you'll see that actually there are times when you know, I've disappeared for like a week or two.

So I've not been that consistent. But if you want to say consistent as per, I've kept at it for five years, OK, then maybe that's it. But the bottom line, what I'm trying to say is some people put themselves under pressure, like maybe they see me 1000 episodes and then they feel the pressure. Like don't worry, nobody's perfect. There's no need for the pressure because if you check, you will see that there's gaps. You know, two weeks have disappeared.

You didn't hear from me 2-3 days, you know, I'm missing, you know, that kind of thing. I think the longest I went was those one month. I think I didn't record at all. And that was, you know, personal family issues. So just don't put yourself under pressure. The thing is, just do the best you can do. If you decide that you want to be posting twice a week, just, you know, do the best you can do. The times that you disappear because of family issues or maybe work is too much, you know, it's not a problem when you can't come back, you just say, OK, I said I was going to be doing this thing three times a week.

Let me continue doing it three times a week. So thanks for applauding my consistency, but please let her not put any of you under pressure. There's no pressure. Just just try. For me, I said I was going, I was going to do at least 3-4 times a week because I know myself if I say I want to do once a week, you know, before you know it, two weeks, two weeks good on pass and I won't have done anything. So that's the reason why I try to do it as often as possible just so that there's something there when you guys check.

And apart from that was also a deliberate strategy on my part because I was trying to overwhelm the market with value because let's face it, I, I wasted a lot of time doing a bunch of whole other stuff. Well, my wife says it's not a waste anyway, but you know, finish with law, law, photography, photography, exports, exports, documentary, you know, I've done a bunch of stuff. So honestly speaking, when I was coming into the consulting space, I knew that, yes, I know my onions, but let's face it, I

am way behind my contemporaries. So I had to overwhelm the market value. So this was deliberate that if I put out this much resources into the ether, valuable resources, people will see that this guy is not daft. Like he knows his stuff. Let me give him a shot. So was part of a delivery strategy. I was, I recognize that. Look, man, I was coming from behind because there's this guy that I was talking to as a team boy, I can't remember his name,

Sabi Consulting, but he does consulting in the NGO space. And at the time he and Sabi were jesting, Sabi was celebrating like 15 years in the field, you know, So that's just what I'm trying to say. My contemporaries, you know, in age or people that I graduated school with, they already had been doing consulting for like, 15 years by the time I need to throw my own hat into the ring. So I knew that, look, I was seriously coming from the back.

So I needed something to distinguish me and set me apart. And it was a gamble because at the time I started podcasting five years ago, podcasting was not a thing in Nigeria. So I just took a gambled up, you know what Nigeria is no to the listen to podcast. But with time, maybe it will work. And yeah, so far it looks like I'm on the right side of history. More and more people are listening to podcast. So it's just one of these things.

It's a gamble. But then that's our business is now, you know, we take educated guesses on some things. Then she said she's looking forward to us working together. Jordan Saget says she's looking forward to both of us working together. And I am, it's the whole part of the podcast. That's why I put these episodes out. So I'm looking forward to working with as many of you as possible. Now she says that more people need to hear the good news.

And that's the reason why I keep saying that, look, you guys keep sharing the podcast, keep spreading the good news. Let people know that we have home grown, relatable, practical business podcasts. Let them know they're just podcasts are there? Yes, I like many Zooms. You know the correct guys. They make some mistakes sharp, but anyway, you know they're young so as they grow that they will learn. I also like I said what I said,

you know, I like the gist, especially when they counsel some stupid people who are having some kind like mad relationship issues. I like the honest bunch. That time that she knew who said he had the 411 on a Nigerian and Nollywood starlet who was a was having conjugate relations with a snake, if we can put it that way. I wish I had called her name. You know, I really enjoyed that episode. So yeah, I listen to all those things.

But once we're done with all these GGGG gossip, gossip podcast, there are other podcasters out there, not just me. I mean, there are other people. There's a podcast that is run by the NESG, that's the Nigerian Economic Summit Group. They have their own podcast. There's also a podcast by this tech. I can't remember. It's not tech crunch tech something Niger. They have their own podcast. There's also politics Roundtable, although that one is politics.

Then there's you know, so that you know, there are many. I consider myself a pioneer, but there are many, many, many others are coming up. So not just my own show. After you're done listening to my show, search again, you find that there are lots of good Nigerian podcasts, business podcasts that are are coming on. Then Joe Osaka wanted me to be on Instagram and I told her, look, man, I don't tire because I'm doing the podcasting thing.

I'm building consultancy services and then I'm not promoting my media services anymore. But if, if good money comes, you know, I'll take it. Like some people don't owe me money now, you know, it was a couple of MSI spoke to the boys. They say it looks like it's a good thing. More on and you know, we did our expecting some good money. So if that one comes, you know, I also do that as well. Then what else, you know, apart from that being a dad and being the decimated driver because we're one car household.

You know, my hands are full at the moment and I don't want to touch anything except everything is going to put more money in my pocket. And to be honest, Instagram and all that social media, it's a full time job. It's a full time job and I don't want another full time job, except it's going to bring me some sweet money. Then there's also security risks because my Facebook was hacked last year. I told you guys, so that's why I

just shut down everything. So maybe when I have a team, I'll be back on all the extra things on TikTok on, you know, whatever is raining at the time. But for now, joyous argue. Thank you very much for the support. No, I'm not going to be on Instagram. And a whole host of you have been saying I should be on Instagram, I should be here, I should be there. But you know, you're not going to find me for now. And these are the reasons why.

So Joe Joy Osagi, thank you very much for listening to the podcast. Then shout out to Fee Onalaja. She has a gift business in Lagos and it's called imaginate, but it is spelled IMAGIN. And then the number 8. So imaginate. So what they do is they do personalized magazines and story books, They do photo albums, affirmation cards, stickers, you know, things like that. Really, really, really good stuff. And the reason why I'm impressed with this young lady is because I've made like two or three episodes about the gift business.

And I've been talking about how you people in the gift business, you guys need to distinguish ourselves because some of you are just, you know, you just come across as glorified hamper hamper pushers because you're all doing hampers, you're all doing Biro, you're all doing folder, you're all doing dairy. Like it's pretty much the same thing. The only difference is quality and maybe where you're sourcing from. So some people are producing everything here in Nigeria.

So maybe take it a step forward and you do only exclusive leather, something, you know, from Milan, you know, so more high end, but essentially you're kind of all the same thing. So for her now that is doing gifting, but with this personalized elements, like even making comics where the person that you're sending it to features as the hero. I mean, I mean, it's, it's, it's mad, it's, it's different. I'm definitely going to try her out.

So we we should always be looking for ways or distinguishing ourselves from the competition. In fact, that seems to be a theme running through this. You know, remember I said that I knew I was starting really late because my contemporaries were already doing this thing in 15 years, roughly 10 years. So if I was going to enter into the consulting space, I had to distinguish myself. So for me podcast, I was going to be one way and then for fee on a larger for her, not just campers, but then all these other things, you know, the personalized magazines and you know, stuff like that.

So check her stuff out on Instagram. She's there at imagine 8 gifts. Again, it's IMA GIN #8 and then gifts, so check out. It's all written as one word. Now fee, I have also have to appreciate you because she said she shared my podcast with her mom and I really appreciate that. The reason why I appreciate you fee is because to be honest is usually the older guys who pay good consulting fees. So I appreciate that you're sharing with mom see and mom see if you're listening, I beg share with your colleagues too.

In fact, Mama Fee, I want to say a Kusha and Akara and Aku Bubui and Aku everything. And also want to tell you Mama Fee, well done for raising an enterprising daughter because it is it is a women I'll be how will I say it now? It is a it is women like your daughter who are the future of Nigeria. And I want to say thank you very much, man, for doing the good that you've done in raising her well, supporting her entrepreneurial dreams and making sure that she's set on the right path.

And also, Faye, thank you very much for sharing the show. Then Faye also told me, because, you know, I've been talking about how in the future I'll move to a bigger house, maybe 6 bedrooms, you know, now go and corner one bedroom and just keep it out. So it's a, it's a recording space and things like that. And Faye told me, she said, I look, there's no need for a future studio. There's no need for higher production value.

And I said why? And her response is the thing that makes my podcast endearing is that there's no forming. I keep it relatable and I'm just shooting it like it is. And if I'm at the mechanic, I'm just recording. If I'm at the market, I'm recording. If I'm outside the bank, like I'm not forming. And yeah, she gave me second thoughts. And yeah, so maybe this whole thing of let me move into the six bedroom and then convert 1

into the studio, Yeah, maybe there's maybe there's no need for that. So thank you very much for your encouragement and your kind words fee and this whole thing of not forming. It's it's because back in my youth, I tried some forming and I'll never do it again. I had this very good friend Nana on Yerimba and they used to like to play SNES. SNES is Super Nintendo Entertainment Systems. I don't know if people still play SNES nowadays.

So everybody was talking about SNES, SNES and you know, I wanted to be one of the cool kids because now, now, and you remember, he, he was his puppy was with the Minister of External Affairs. My own father was with an NTA And you know, those Minister of external affairs kids, those people used to ball. They should travel anyhow. Today they're in Nigeria, you know, tomorrow they're in Japan. Next year they're in, you know,

New York. Just a travel Shah. So honestly, we want to like those cool Ministry of External Affairs kids. So I now told the lie. I said that me, I have a snare. And then that's how Nano, you remember his older brother. He and his older brother showed up at my house to play snare. And then there was no snare, man. That thing blew up in my face. Blow up in my face real bad, Really, really real bad. And after that I swore that,

man, I will never form again. What I have is what I have. What I don't have, I do not have. Who I am is who I am. I will not try to be bigger than I am. I will not try to be sharp. From there, just say Omar all form again. So anyway, so that's where part of my new forming attitude came from. Sophie, thank you very much for the kind words. Thank you for sharing the podcast with your family members, especially with your mom.

Let's see what else? Well, thank you for encouraging me and letting me know that when I'm recording and my baby comes and says, Daddy, I want to poop, that, you know, there's not a problem. Or if there's a cow or a chicken in the background or the mechanic is calling my attention, not, you know, there's not a problem. That should continue. So I'm going to continue with my podcast, the episodes, then. Let's see. OK, final conversation now because it's almost 30 minutes.

Let me free you guys. So conversation with Emmanuel Carnaby, most interesting surname so far. He's a former sales manager who has a specialization in ERP implementation. So basically that's just enterprise level software. And then of course, remember that on this podcast, every single time I say enterprise, what I mean is big business. So like Zenith Bank, Access Bank or minister of external affairs or whatever, you know, big business, plenty of offices,

plenty of managers, plenty of buildings, you know, their software needs, the stationary needs, the whatever needs are different. For me, if I buy 1 ream of paper, I'm fine to be honest. I can use one ream of printing paper for like 2 years. But unfortunately for me, my sons love origami, so they're always making stuff. So if I buy paper today, a whole ream of paper, before you know it, three weeks, every more paper has finished.

I'm like, what the hell are you boys doing, you know? So before enterprise people, one ream of paper is nothing. Those people have to buy reams of paper in the hundreds or maybe even the thousands. Like if you're thinking maybe federal Secretariat, I'm sure they have to buy rooms of paper in the thousands. So their needs are different. And the people like Emmanuel Canaby, those are the ones. Those are the people who know how to hook them up with software solutions that can help with human resources or can help with customer relationship management or can help with accounting or with database management or whatever.

So like I said, Emmanuel Canaby is a former sales management. What? Sorry, former sales manager. It means that right now the guy you find work. So if you're looking to hire somebody like that, you know, get in touch, check him out on LinkedIn. Emmanuel Kanebi. KANEBI, hope I'm pronouncing your name correctly. You know, give him a call, let him know you heard about him on the podcast, you heard that this is what he does.

You are hiring and these are the requirements. You know, you guys have a chat. He sounds like a correct guy. We've had a couple of conversations about how I could have helped them out with his previous employer. So he's a correct guy. Reach out to him. Then Emmanuel Cannabis said I should be on YouTube and see, this is the reason why I said let me just feature some conversations. My party has listeners because I really appreciate the love and support.

When you guys reach out, you know, you guys reach out, you encourage me. You say this what you learned, you know, you like my progress. So if you end up being clients and some of you say, have you thought of promoting yourself like this? Have you thought of promoting yourself like that? So today's episode, The thing is, I can't acknowledge all of you, but just to show that I hear all of you. I appreciate you guys. I mean, I love you all.

I love the support, I love the ginger, I love the encouragement. It really keeps me going. So I really, really, really appreciate it. So just like Canopy trying to talk about how I can grow on YouTube. And yeah, I know that I've been slacking on that for a while. So that's the reason why eventually I hooked up my podcasts, my podcast feed to YouTube so that whenever I publish it now double S automatically on YouTube. So like now on this particular one that I'm recording now, by the time I hit send and I'll blown on the podcast, if you would just materialize on YouTube.

So right now, all my episodes, over 1100 episodes, everything is now there on YouTube. So yeah, it's a faceless channel, but at least I'm there. But the same thing. Emmanuel, you know, thanks for the suggestion. But to be honest, I'm not going to sit down and record any YouTube videos because I don't have to worry about costumes, lighting, composition, editing. And like I said, I'm not looking for a second job now. I was thinking about maybe taking YouTube in that direction, but then after talking to Faye and a couple of other people, you know, this whole authentic thing is my vibe anyway.

So I might as well stick with it. Except if YouTube is ready for that kind of content where somebody just shows up with the phone and records, you know, shoot straight and then upload. So if the time comes for that, maybe then Emmanuel also said I was looking forward to, excuse me, some of my stuff causing controversy. And to be honest, you know, I told him I don't think anything I say is going to cause any kind of controversy.

So on just podcast, yes, like I said, what I sort of know, the honest bunch, there was controversy that time that they invited was this guy's name. Sorry. They invited Peter Obi and Peter Obi said some stuff and then I think caused some controversy. And there's this time that they invited this musical producer who said some stuff about the gospel industry and then that caused some controversy. So yeah, just podcast, they can cause controversy, but I doubt there's anything I say that will cause controversy.

Excuse me. Also, one of the reasons why I can talk freely over here because it's a business show. How many people are listening to even begin with and who's going to hang around for bottom line? Business podcasts don't cause any controversy. And the thing about business podcasts anyway is that those of you who listen to shows like this, you're a different crop. You guys are very, very intelligent. You know, you're motivated and you guys have your critical faculties in check.

So even if I say something that might be off putting, I know that you guys can interpret it in context. So I don't think there's going to be any controversy. But like I said, the long and short of today's episode is almost 40 minutes. So let me just round up you. Just say thank you very much to all of you. I love you guys, all of you all. I appreciate the support. I appreciate the encouragement. So even though I've only highlighted Joy Osaki, Google My Business expert, check out on LinkedIn fee or knowledge who is in the gifting business in Lagos.

Imagine a gifts on Instagram and Emmanuel Canopy sales manager specializing in ERP implementation, enterprise IP, ERP enterprise resource planning. Abby Emmanuel, if I'm wrong, just, you know, correct me. You know, I can't cram all the acronyms. So even though I have just highlighted this three, I just wanted to let you guys know that for all of you who reach out, we've been chatting, you know, small, small, whether SMS or whether LinkedIn or whether WhatsApp or whatever, you know,

I feel you. I appreciate you. I see you, I value you. Thank you very much for listening to the show. Thank you very much for your kind words. Thank you for your advice and thank you for supporting me in this journey. It's my prayer that in your businesses, God is also going to raise our people who will equally also appreciate you, like you, support you, encourage you, and help you move on to the next stage of your life and moving on to greater thresholds.

So thank you very much, dear listeners and people who have stuck with me for the last five years and people who are going to be with me for however long the journey continues on the podcast. So that's all for today, folks. Remember, if you have sales and marketing questions, bring them to me. Call SMS WhatsApp on 08064662140. Thank you very much for your time and attention. I'll catch you, dear listener, the next episode.

Oh, and before I forget, please, if you're calling somebody again, please don't blow up somebody's phone by calling 456 time. Send a text message first, then call, or if you call the person didn't answer, send the text message then. So at least they know who you are, why you are reaching out, and then they might be open to talking to you. So I'll catch you guys at the next episode.